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Offline jaros44

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CFM of quadrajet?
« on: February 19, 2019, 01:45:07 PM »
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How can I tell what CFM this carb is?

Offline Sonny

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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 04:31:15 PM »
Measure the primary venturi
If 1 and 3 32 inches it is 750
If 1 and 7 32 inches it is 800

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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 04:04:27 AM »
It will be the larger casting, but not flow anywhere near 800 cfm as the stop doesn't allow the air flap shaft to open very far......Cliff

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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 07:15:49 AM »
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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 04:32:12 PM »
You are measuring the diameter of the throttle plates.  Measure in the main castings just below the outer booster rings or the restrictions or choke point at the venturi.....Cliff

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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 04:33:22 PM »
A note on CFM, from a question I answered recently on another site:

The actual CFM from the Quadrajet carburetors are application specific. They basic castings come in two flavors, 750 and 800 cfm. As delivered they can vary considerably from those numbers depending on how long the stop is on the secondary airflap shaft to limit the opening angle of the airflaps in the airhorn.

The factory also limited to open angle of the huge secondary throttle plates in the baseplates on many applications to limit cfm as well.

Good examples of this are early Firebird carburetors that were delivered on the 400 engines. I've seen this quoted many times as done for "insurance reasons", but for whatever reason for sure they limited the open angle of the secondary throttle plates and had a longer stop to limit the air flap open angle as well. This is mentioned in several sources in print on early Pontiac stuff.

Anyhow, the factory also made some higher CFM models in 1971 as mentioned. They basically took the standard "750" cfm castings and removed the outer booster rings to increase cfm. Those castings are also "dubbed" 800cfm, but actually testing puts them at 827cfm.

At the same time Rochester released the first larger castings for the 1971 Buick 455 engines. They are also dubbed "800" cfm but use a short stop on the secondary airflap shaft and flow 849cfm.

The larger castings showed up for Pontiac in 1973 and were released on the 455 Super Duty engines, part numbers 7043270, 7043273, 7044270, and 7044273. Those were also produced as Service Replacement part number 17054910 and 17054911.

Edelbrock came out with a line of Q-jets and their 1904/1905 were dubbed "800" cfm and the 1910 were advertised at 850cfm. The 1910 is the EXACT same casting as the 1904/1905's just has a shorter stop to allow the secondary airflaps to open to 1.270" (just a little less than .100" when compared to the 1910's) as shown in my book.in my book on page 118.

There is also information on how to make a large cfm q-jet by removing the outer booster rings on page 116. I've done quite a few of this at this point and have supported over 700hp successfully with them in full race applications, these will flow apprx 897cfm.

I'll add here that Edelbrock patterned their 1904/1904 and 1910's after Chevy truck Q-jets produced in 1979-1980, and they are nearly identical to part numbers 17080212 and 17080213.

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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2019, 04:33:33 PM »
So when it comes to cfm there folks still "regurgitate" old information calling all q-jets either 750 or 800cfm. I typically stay out of these conversations as there is always some "resident expert" someplace that wants to argue the details. It's about the same as ridiculous comments we still see that the fuel bowl on the Q-jet is too small for high performance use. It wouldn't matter if it held 6 ounces of fuel or 60, you just need to take steps to keep it FULL on hard runs. The real troubled spot is that you are feeding the engine with only one needle/seat assembly, so ALL the fuel to feed the engine has to pass thru on small hole, not two of them. If we were arguing performance "potential" here the Q-jet design is EXCELLENT. The fuel bowl is in the center of the carb, jets on the bottom of the bowl and excellent venting (with few exceptions). I am constantly contacted by folks who are using carbs for off-road, rough terrain, rock climbing, etc wanting us to build them as they have all sort of issues with other designs and that doesn't surprise me in the least.

Anyhow, back to cfm. We also saw Rochester take the larger castings and install really long stops on them to limit cfm and use them on the Pontiac 301's and other small CID engines. I never spent the time/funds to CFM test any of those but I would estimate them around 500-550cfm or so. It's also interesting that Rochester also cross-drilled the fuel supply nozzles when the severely limited to opening angle of the flaps to insure adequate fuel delivery to the engine. So they actually made a wide variety of different CFM models if anyone is taking notes........Cliff

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Re: CFM of quadrajet?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 05:20:12 AM »
so, you mention off road, is there any mods that can be done to help with stalling at steep angles, maybe reduce fuel pressure below 4 1/2 psi