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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Quality, reliable mechanical fuel pumps
« Last post by Cadman-iac on June 17, 2025, 09:50:34 AM »
  Who makes a decent mechanical fuel pump for a small block Chevy?
 I'm currently using a Carter large can pump with a return port on it, and when it gets extremely hot the pressure drops off to almost nothing. It still puts out enough to keep the engine running, but just barely.  It puts out up to 9 psi cold, and will maintain around 4 to 5 psi most of the time, but  during the heat of the day (100° plus) under a load, such as pulling a trailer and using the air conditioning, the pressure drops to as low as 1-2 psi at idle, but does pick up to about 3 to 3.5 psi at higher RPM's.
 I thought about using a pump without a return port, but that would just increase the likelihood of a vapor lock.
 I clamped off the return line to see what if any difference it would make and the pressure only increased by 1 psi.

 What kind/ brand of pump are you running on your small block, and how well does it handle the heat? Do you have to boost it with an electric pump?

 I know I'm operating in extreme conditions, but there must be a pump that can handle the heat, right?

 If you are backing up your mechanical pump with an electric pump, what kind are you using, and how well does it do?

 The electric pump I'm currently using as a backup is one that looks kinda like a fuel filter with wires, it's a solenoid style. It won't increase the pressure to normal, but does bring it up 1 to 2 psi in this extreme heat.

  Rick
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Diagnose a Quadrajet carburetor problem / 17084226 tip in
« Last post by 65malibu on June 16, 2025, 02:25:52 PM »
I was trying to zero in my part throttle today and did the tip in. With 74 jets and Cliffs 50M rods, I started at 3.5 turns out on the APT screw. The engine rpm finally picked up at 1 turn out. Is that an indication that I should go down to 72 jets or will it be ok? With the screw only out 1 turn, where does that put the taper on the needle in relationship to the jet?
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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: Off idle lean condition, suggestions?
« Last post by lightning boy on June 12, 2025, 01:55:13 PM »
It takes more timing to burn a lean mixture.
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Diagnose a Quadrajet carburetor problem / Re: '66 Hard to start warm temps
« Last post by ourkid2000 on June 12, 2025, 06:42:14 AM »
jeez, sorry made another post in error! Uggh, I think I keep hitting the quote button rather than the modify button to make some corrections to my original post. I'll figure it out someday! Sorry again!
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Diagnose a Quadrajet carburetor problem / Re: '66 Hard to start warm temps
« Last post by ourkid2000 on June 12, 2025, 06:13:27 AM »
this one reply was posted in error, sorry
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Diagnose a Quadrajet carburetor problem / '66 Hard to start warm temps
« Last post by ourkid2000 on June 12, 2025, 06:05:53 AM »
Good day all,

I have a pretty consistent problem with my '66 Toronado being difficult to start in the first start of the day when the temperatures warm up for the summer. Just looking for some advice on where to start. Original, '66 Qjet on the car currently.

My suspicion is that when the temps get warmer, something with the choke isn't setup properly but I'm not sure if it's a lean or a rich problem. Does that sound like I'm on the right track? The carb is in good condition and the car runs absolutely superb other than this one issue.

When the temps are cold, I don't seem to have this problem even after sitting a couple of days. One or two pumps to set the choke and it fires right up after about 3-4 seconds of cranking.

Now, with the temps getting a bit high, I give it one pump to set the choke and try to start. Consistently, it almost immediately fires but quickly dies and I have to crank it and pump it to get it going again. After that, she's good for the day. I wonder if it is the choke pulloff not opening up enough just as the car starts and it chokes it out?

Other observations:
- The accelerator pump is one from Cliff. I know his are the best in the business so I bought one and installed it myself.
- If I watch the carb when I operate the throttle, I see a good pump shot on the first movement of the throttle but they get weaker and weaker. By the 3rd pump shot, there's barely any fuel coming out. I checked, there is plenty of fuel in the bowl even when the pump shots are weak. I'm not sure if this is normal or not.
- I have the carb on the bench currently with fuel in the bowl and a paper towel underneath checking for leaking well plugs. It's been 24 hrs now and I see nothing on the sheet so far and there's still fuel in the bowl.
- When the temps are fairly warm, should the choke butterfly be totally closed when you first set it?
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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: Off idle lean condition, suggestions?
« Last post by Cadman-iac on June 11, 2025, 12:47:43 PM »

You may need to run a little more total timing but it's not always best to increase initial timing to get it.  Too much initial often results in difficult hot restarts.  For most well thought out engine builds I like to use around 10-12 initial, 10-11 mechanical (20-22 at the crank), and 10-15 degrees from the VA.  In most cases I use ported vacuum to the advance as my engines are higher compression wider LSA camshafts which promote good cylinder pressure at low RPM's so no need to run a butt-load of initial timing to make the engine happy.

When I custom tune engines brought here I use similar numbers unless they are lower compression with big cams or tight LSA.  I always address idle fuel delivery as well and when I get that up to par it's still rare to need a lot of timing at idle speed for most engines. 

Anyhow, it is best to make very small changes with total timing.  Right now you have 26 degrees total timing at full load.  Most engines I've tuned like closer to 30-34 degrees with some liking a bit more than that.  Some engines like a tad less so be conservative when advancing the timing as detonation may occur and it will destroy the best prepared engine......

 I tried just advancing the timing another 5 degrees, which didn't make much difference other than a bit harder to start.
 So initial went back to 10 degrees, then I switched the vacuum advance from manifold vacuum to ported vacuum. At an idle, this didn't seem to affect it much, and I wasn't sure why. So I pulled the carb and checked the port I was using, it sits just above the throttle plate when it's closed.
 To verify I was actually getting ported vacuum, and to what extent, I checked this port against the manifold vacuum port using a gage on each simultaneously.
 So what I'm getting is basically the same from either port. Just minor differences at part throttle.
 It feels like it runs better with ported vacuum, so that's where I'll leave it for now.

 On another somewhat related issue, my lean condition at higher RPM's was being caused by the fuel shut-off solenoid I was using between the mechanical pump and the carb.
 I could overcome this by engaging the electric pump, but even with that in this Arizona heat I would still get starvation issues.
 After removing the solenoid and installing a couple of heat shields for the fuel lines, there were no more problems.
 (This is a square body Suburban, just for reference).
 Well, except one, my fuel tank was getting hot from the airflow from the engine and the exhaust pipes at each front corner of the tank.
 To prevent this from continuing, I built a heat shield that sits in front of the tank just behind the axle, and then made a lower shield that resembles a skid plate, but it's purpose is to cause an airflow around the tank, drawing cooler air from above the tank between the floor and the frame, and the small gap between the shield and the frame.
 Before I did this, when I would drive for an extended period, when I would remove the gas cap the pressure would blow the cap 6 feet away.
 Took it on a 2 hour freeway trip today and checked the tank, absolutely no pressure whatsoever. I was worried that I might have done all that work for nothing or even made the problem worse, but it turned out great. Even with the A/C on at 75 MPH, no heat issues, and it's a 100°plus day in Tucson today.
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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: pull over enrichment tubes??
« Last post by jim71400 on June 06, 2025, 07:43:47 PM »
Cool, thanks Cliff. I'll remove the POE tubes alltogether and put the tubes in the secondary tube spot.
Thanks
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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: Secondary hanger and rods?
« Last post by Cliff Ruggles on June 06, 2025, 12:14:53 AM »
Best to contact me directly at the shop.  I'm here 7am-4pm M-F EST.  Shop phone is 740-397-2921.  If I don't pick up leave a message and I'll call you back...tks..
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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: Edelbrock Q-jet
« Last post by Cliff Ruggles on June 06, 2025, 12:11:59 AM »
IT's hit and miss for sure with the Edelbrock 1910's.  I've seen quite a few problems with them over the years.  Machining errors, different calibrations and for sure in most cases they are going to need some help before you put one in service....
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