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I've seen some DIY distributor machines and it didn't look all that complicated. Just a support structure, a 12 dc motor, dimmer speed control, degree wheel, tach and timing light
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    Thanks for your quick Reply Kenth!

    I had another look, and re-read, and I think I got the correct locations as you describe.
    I attach some images of Pin Gauges / drills popped into the locations.

    I will appreciate confirmation that I have correctly identified them all, please.

    I do not want to drill anything until I am absolutely sure I have identified the correct items, and that they
NEED to be drilled for the engine to run correctly.

  • Idle Channel (- Are these also Called Down Channels?) Do I need to open these up, or is it a might need?
    Should I try run the engine first, then see if it needs opening?
  • Upper Idle Air Bleed in Main Body. They are at .069"
  • Accelerator Pump Discharge Jets are at .026"
  • Secondary POE Well restriction is actually at .039" - not .040" - will that matter?
  • Secondary POE discharge jets are at.030" - is this a need to enlarge to .052"? Bearing in mind its only a 304 engine this is going to sit on.
  • I'll leave air flap distance as is for now, and see how it goes when I run the engine.
  • If I find I need more Idle Bypass Air, where do I drill the holes, and should they be in the primary throttle plates? (I am using electric choke).

Many questions I know!

Below are my Images to help make sure I have got things right before I start to make "permanent" changes to my Carby.

I look forward to your advice  :)

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  Pontiac also rotates counterclockwise, so wouldn't those also be installed numbers down like Oldsmobile?

 I'm doing this on a Chevrolet distributor, and another one for a Cadillac that'll be used later on.
  These blanket statements, both from Rocky Rotella and Dick Paterson give one reason to doubt, as there always seems to be an exception for one reason or another.
   Rocky Rotella's article doesn't mention anything about direction of rotation at all, at least not in any of it that was quoted where I had found it.
 As for Dick Paterson's that you mentioned, it breaks out the Oldsmobile as being different, and having had a couple, I knew of the difference. I had had a '68 Pontiac back in the 70's, but I had to think about that one before remembering that it was also counterclockwise. ( Learned that in high school after replacing the cap and plug wires one day. Didn't make note of the wire positions before yanking them off. Couldn't figure out why it kept backfiring through the carb, lol)
 I have an older GM unit repair manual for the HEI distributor from around 1975 or '76, gotta look at it again to be positive.  Anyway, one of the pictures does show the weights and center plate somewhat clearly, and I'd swear you could see the number on the center plate. Unfortunately it doesn't mention anything about disassembly of the shaft or the advance mechanism, it was mainly for troubleshooting the electrical portion of the distributor  since at that time it was a relatively new system for most mechanics, and an overhaul of the unit shouldn't have been necessary at the time of printing.

 I did Google Dick Paterson and got his website. He doesn't give much information, other than advertising for his distributors, so I'm guessing he probably doesn't just give out information free of charge.
 Unfortunately, information like this will probably die with him .
 It's one reason why I'd like to post what I can about it for anyone who can use it, like Cliff does here for carbs.

 Rick
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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: Secondary metering rod oddity
« Last post by Cadman-iac on March 18, 2026, 12:17:43 PM »
So I'm not crazy and they do exist!  haha

 Lol!! No, you're not crazy, but like me, you might be a little touched in the head!!

 I wouldn't have ever thought to check for steel rods before.  I've got 2 sets of these AK's and only one is steel, and just at first glance you'd never notice a difference.
 There might be some if I were to clean them up though.

 I wonder what (if any) the extra weight would have on the air valve reaction?

 Rick
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All HEI except Oldsmobile - center plate numbers and fly weight numbers face up.

Olds HEI - center plate numbers and fly weight numbers face down.

According to Dick Paterson @ Springfield Ignition, Orillia Ontario Canada

 Interesting, I've been going by information I got from another site that had quoted a guy named Rocky Rotella, and it says that the factory installed the center plate with the numbers down.  I kinda questioned that, since it makes it necessary to remove it to find out which one you have.
 I'm guessing that the Oldsmobile goes numbers down because of the counter clockwise rotation of the distributor, which does make sense.
 Before finding that article, I've always installed them numbers up,it just made better sense to me.
 Another thing I've noticed too, when checking them with everything in place, there's several center plates that don't seem to work well number down, the weights didn't want to retract fully, they seemed to be flopping between the plate and what would be the normal stop point on the weight, if that makes sense.

 You wouldn't happen to have a link to this Paterson guy, or the article he wrote would you? Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated.

 Rick
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I had mine put in a sun machine, that’s the best way.

 Yeah,  I'd love to go that route, but unfortunately I don't have access to one or know of anyone that's got one.
 If I found a shop with one, they'd probably charge a fortune for what I'm trying to do.
   But I'm mainly trying to figure out what each combination would provide as far as the maximum mechanical advance, as far as the curve goes, I can figure that out on the engine, and can change springs to fine tune it.
  Im trying to get my timing into the optimum range for both power and mileage, especially since this freaking idiot has started another war and gas isn't going to get any cheaper anytime soon.

 Rick
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You may open the idle channels to .046".
The upper idle air bleeds, .069 are located in the float bowl (not in the air horn) and is on par with Cliff´s rcommendation.
The accelerator pump discharge jets, .026" are located further in thru the outer .060" siphon hole.
The .040" secondary POE well restriction is fine.
The secondary POE discharge jets, .030", are located further in thru the .053" holes. Needs to be opened.
Doesn´t hurt to increase the secondary air valves opening angle.
If you are using an electric choke element and plug the hot air channel, you may want to add some idle bypass air in the throttle plate, .070"-.080" for each bore will do.

HTH

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Hi All.
I hope I posted this in the correct place.
I bought Cliff's service kit. His advice, and reading on the forum here has been a God-send!
I have measured all hole sizes in the body and air horn of my current (and first) attempt to restore a this Quadrajet which will go on to a stock standard AMC 304 V8.

Do I need to reduce some holes sizes to suit the 304? The holes in the castings, are larger than what Cliffs First Recipe recommends.


Particularly: Idle channel hole, Upper Idle Air bleed, Accelerator Pump discharge holes, Secondary POE Well restriction, and should I reduce the Secondary Air Flap Opening Distance.

I have highlighted these items in red on the document that I will try to attach below, and a couple of photos of where I am at for now.
First column next to descriptor is my Carby, to the Right is Cliffs recommended First recipe for comparison.

Would it be OK to pop it onto the engine and try run & tune it or will these specs just not work?
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Many thanks.


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Quadrajet Carb Talk and Tips / Re: Tab in Sec Flap
« Last post by lightning boy on March 17, 2026, 01:02:05 PM »
Makes sense Cadman, I thought it would be for distribution for a particular manifold. Hopefully Cliff will chime in.
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All HEI except Oldsmobile - center plate numbers and fly weight numbers face up.

Olds HEI - center plate numbers and fly weight numbers face down.

According to Dick Paterson @ Springfield Ignition, Orillia Ontario Canada
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