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Offline Marx3

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Increasing cfm?
« on: June 01, 2012, 08:59:20 AM »
Hi, I seem to remember something about hitting about 1200 cfm on an 800 unit.
A few simple questions:
How many cfm will removing the outer booster rings add on a 800?
And will it require a lot of hours/work to go higher?
( I can't seem to make the search function work, sorry!!!)

Thanks - Jacob.

Offline Shaker455

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Re: Increasing cfm?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 06:32:40 AM »
I'm not sure I've ever seen anything about getting to 1200 cfm on a single Qjet so post a link if you find it please.

I would figure from removing the rings you may gain up to 50 cfm.

Offline 17058263

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Re: Increasing cfm?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 10:50:13 PM »
if your remove the outer booster rings you will lose and lot of single to the carb. and will not have very good throttle response.

Offline Cliff Ruggles

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Re: Increasing cfm?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2012, 03:28:54 AM »
The large cfm units typically dubbed "800" cfm will flow 847cfm without any grinding, sanding, or polishing anyplace. 

Removing the booster rings on those units takes them up to 897cfm.

We reserve that modification for engines making over 600hp.

I've drag strip tested the smaller castings (750), the 1971 HO castings (827cfm), the later "850" cfm units, and the larger 897cfm carbs at the track on my own car.

Even the 750cfm castings are pretty good at keeping up with my 455 engine over 550hp.  I only lost about .03-.04 seconds and less than 2mph.

The HO carburetor (827cfm) and my own 1977 unit (850cfm) ran just about dead even on back to back runs.

The improvement moving up to the larger cfm unit was barely noticable, but it did run a few hundreths quicker and about 1mph faster.

It's also interesting that I have one customer running a legal Super Stock Camaro with a small block running mid 9's around 150mph with a smaller "750" cfm casting.

I would also mention that NHRA outlawed the 1971 HO castings (single booster) models for drag racing in all Classes, unless you are running a 1971 HO Pontiac entry.

Anyhow, I do NOT recomend removing the outer booster rings for most set-ups.  Even on big HP large CID engines, the slight improvement in top end power comes at the loss of throttle response and efficiency right off idle.  You loose the booster area, and it takes more throttle angle to pull fuel from the jets.  This keeps the carb on the transition curcuit much longer, so fuel economy and driveabilty suffer.

The triple booster area provided by the standard Q-jet design is what makes them superior to aftermarket carburetors for "normal" driving.  When you remove this feature, they act and drive much like a Holley carburetor, using more fuel and taking more throttle angle for light throttle cruising, etc.

Like a Holley, they can still be tuned to work pretty well, but you will never acheive the same efficiency without the outer booster rings in place.

One advantage to this modification, is that you will have a lot more cfm available for spirited driving on the primary side only, so you can acheive higher vehicle speeds without bringing in the secondaries.

In any case, I'd reserve this modification for BIG cid engines and big power levels, where one wants to continue to use a Q-jet.  They still offer some nice advantages for this sort of deal, one is fully adjustable secondary opening rates and tuning full throttle A/F in seconds without taking the carb apart......Cliff