Author Topic: Secondary rods  (Read 2007 times)

Offline chriswhewell

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Secondary rods
« on: February 09, 2014, 04:45:33 AM »
Wow, got a rebuild kit from Cliff's, truck runs awesomely now that I have the right jets in there, and adding access to APT was a good upgrade.    Carb is 17059205, from a 79 chev truck, originally 0.052 rods and 0.072 jet.   Initially went to a 0.074 jet but was too rich, so the 73's are perfect now.

Engine is 350 chev, 4-brow flat tops with Vortec heads meticulously prepp'd by me 3 angle cut and blended in the bowl and top-angle to chamber is slicker than a brook trout.  sharp chamber edges removed, esp. excess spark plug threads , smoothed.    Cam is XE-250-H from comp, truck is 67 K-20 chev longbed, weighs 4950 lbs, axle ratios are 4:55.  Dual plane edelbrock v-tec manifold.   Comp measures just over 10:1 on my gauge when I crank the motor with ign. disconnected.  Initial timing 9 degrees w/ vac disconnected.   Never pings, even running 87 in hot Texas summer.  Chamber smoothness, but also figure ethanol gas can now have a lot more water in it (oil companies sellin me water at $3.50 a gallon, probably added to some extent), so remember the old "water injection" systems to reduce ping ?   Guess what ?   Its inherent in the fuel now.

anyhow, I'm wondering about secondary rods.   Spec for the carb I have is DP, which are in there now.   I'm pondering putting in these DR rods I have sitting here.   sure, easy 3 minute job but before I do it, I thought I'd throw out there a question of .... is that a decent idea to move from DP to DR ?   Truck is used mostly for towing, although I do enjoy the tremendous amount of "scoot" it now has.  lol, squeals the tires with little effort, could probably lay rubber but I too old, plus i like my tires :)   

edit + :  Here's the dyno sheet for that cam, Tq over 400 ft.lbs. low rpm is where I like to live, don't care about how many ponies it makes at 6500, I never go there.    http://www.compcams.com/Technical/DynoSheets/XE250H-10_001.asp


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Offline chriswhewell

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Re: Secondary rods
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 04:54:19 AM »
I should maybe add, the secondaries do open at WOT, but I doubt all the way, probably am mostly interested in rod diameter in the jet when top butterflies are open 10-25 degrees.... (just a guess)

Offline Cliff Ruggles

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Re: Secondary rods
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 04:41:50 AM »
The throttle plates should be set to open all the way to 90 degrees.  The stock airflap angle on that carb would be enough for what you are doing.  At that point the secondary cam should have the hanger at full lift, and the rods on the tips.

For that carburetor and your application, it will like metering rods in the .050-.060" range.  I'd use CV's if you can find a set. 

Testing with that sort of thing would really require a chassis dyno or drag strip, to see highest MPH (best HP) with metering rod changes.  It's difficult, if not near impossible to tune full throttle by the "seat of your pants", at least once you get close.....Cliff