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Offline Hayapower

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CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« on: April 28, 2014, 10:42:05 PM »
Joined up to find an answer for a nagging question/s, hope someone has clarity :)

I have a 69 T/A that has had a SR push'n fuel for 35ish years and the original QJ is long gone.. The question is about what would have been on it originally, and where the conversations have now gone. Trying for show correctness, a more common carb of 7029263 should be technically correct, but being a CA car sold here, would the 'correct' carb be a 7029563 for CA standards even with no AIR emission? Build date was 5/69..

The other question is, the 6th number always seems to be 6 for Pontiac, but how common would a #7/Pontiac placement be, or does it ever appear for a 69 MY? Same applies for odd numbers for manual trans, what would be a common number, and, how often to the others appear?

Guess all the questions lead into, what my options are and/or chances are for finding a carb or core for my application. I've seen a few 702926#'s for sale, but have never come across a 5 number CA carb.. I was told that 702926# or 702826# (early RA models/Judge etc) had only these carb number options and extended into early/mid 69 MY, and '5' standards never came into play?

Any insite?, Thanks...

Offline Hayapower

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2014, 09:26:32 AM »
Saw an older post/listing that Cliff sold a 7029273 RA carb, So that answered one of my questions, but the CA application if it applies certainly would narrow the possibilities.. Would be no point in replacing a good SR carb with an 'almost ' correct 7029 unit..

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2014, 09:54:36 AM »

 I would think that the Pontiac service manual should list the exact carb number for each and every
application. The manuals for later model years do.

 As far as absolute number logic, there appear to be exceptions. This presents itself particularly in
the Manual/Auto number logic.

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2014, 11:40:31 AM »

 Which engine, I found a reference...?

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 11:49:19 AM »

 Giant Delco carb book shows....



 1969 (Ram-Air) 400

 7029270 Auto
 7029273 Manual



 1969 350, 400

 7029268 Auto
 7029263 Manual 

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 11:52:28 AM »

 "No" breakout or Cali carb listings...

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Offline Hayapower

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 02:20:19 PM »
Thanks for check'n Joe..

And that's the same number Cliff made a sale on, and referenced to..  7029273   400/ RA..
A builder (that I don't really know) said 'only' 7029263 that he's ever seen. I mentioned the 9273 and here is where the opinions swell.. Currently running on eBay there is a 7040570 dated 318th day of 1969 which designates a 5 for (late)
CA standards. With the lower 69 RA pan, that carb or one like it, the pan would never work. So other then some internal diffs, and a diff stamp  :-\

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontiac-Trans-AM-or-GTO-Quadrajet-California-EES-/321390514874?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ad45e12ba&vxp=mtr

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 02:27:04 PM »
7029273 400 RA, ok, 

7029573?.. Or, did a 7029563/7029573 ever exist  ::)

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2014, 07:07:17 PM »

 Not that I see listed.

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 09:04:52 PM »
Interesting that a '5' number designation doesn't seem to show up till 1970, and that the only CA 'emission' (AIR) is for 703's for 67 MY's..

The 7028273 seems to be correct for my 69 application, where as a 7029273 would be GTO RA III and IV and a 69 Firebird RA IV.

http://www.teufert.net/carbs/pont-4bbl.htm

Gotta wonder if it never shows up in late 60's data, if the 5 series was a broad blanket extending to the 70's ?

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2020, 12:57:13 PM »
If you have an early GTO RA car, like I do, you could see '68 parts on your early '69. My 7028273 with a build date of 3448 is on my February built Judge

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Re: CA or FED standards,, which is it!! :)
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2020, 04:43:40 AM »
Here is a link that should help answer your questions and clear things up:

http://www.teufert.net/pontiac/carbs.htm