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Offline oktorque

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Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« on: January 13, 2015, 09:58:03 PM »
17059272  I installed Cliff's kit and used his restrictions for idle down and main bleeds in air horn.  I'm using Cliff's recipe #1 from his book.  At first I could not get it to run.  Then I opened the mix holes and can now idle, but is drawing fuel from boosters and surging from 16.5 to 18hg vacuum.  I interpret surging as a sign of lean. 

I'm going to open the idle tubes from 36 to 44, and the down restrictions to 54.  If that does not sound correct, please advise. 

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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2015, 11:17:21 PM »
I went back through Cliff's book and confirmed my suspicions that indeed the idle system is too restrictive and it is pulling fuel from the boosters just to stay running.  Tomorrow I shall open each, the idle tubes, down restriction by .005, and I'll open the mix holes to .090. 

Depending how it runs once the changes have been made, I'll plan the next course of action.

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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 08:06:18 AM »
I haven't made the changes yet.  I just wanted to add that I'm surprised recipe #1, which is for a 350 v8, unless I misread, would not be enough fuel at idle for a ford 300 I6.  Yeah, okay, it does have the hp of a 360. 

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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 09:15:43 PM »
I NEED A BIT OF HELP.

I opened the main in the air horn to 72, the upper idle bleed to the same, and the lower to the same.  I opened the mix holes to 90.  It helped.  But it still chugs when put in gear at idle.  It pings badly when I get on it.  I'm using 71 jets with 41p rods.  Float is set about 3/8". 


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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2015, 05:44:05 AM »
If you are lacking idle fuel do NOT open up any idle airbleeds.  They were already the right size on that carb stock.

No need to touch the main bleeds either, the uppers are slightly too big, and lowers too small, but they average out correct without modifications on that carb number.

The first recipe is for small cams and high vacuum at idle.  If you have a larger than stock cam you will need larger idle tubes and may have to open up the DCR's a bit.

Make very small changes, most likely you'll not need more than .038" idle tubes in that carb, and .055" DCR's, but I'd have to know the engine specs to make specific recommendations?.....Cliff

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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2015, 10:04:39 AM »
I have a small Isky 256 cam with 202 duration and .450 lift.  Larger valves were installed with ported head and 9.1 cr.  I get 17-18 hg at idle. 

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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2015, 11:04:50 AM »
My bad, I did open the bleeds.  I'll just order new restrictions and resize them all.  Can you give me base size to begin with, or should I use the recipe?  Thanks.

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Re: Recipe #1 sucking fuel from boosters
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2015, 11:16:58 AM »
The 17059272 had small lower MAB's and larger uppers, so just put both pairs at .070".

Same with the idle airbleeds, if you made them larger than .070", then go back to .070" for both pairs....Cliff