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Offline C10Racer

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No flow on idle circuit and out of ideas!
« on: November 30, 2015, 08:41:49 PM »
This forum and Cliff's parts are great, I've been using the parts/info here for a while and finally have my first problem carb. I inherited this carb from another guy in the shop, it's never had identification #s stamped on the pad but it's a front inlet carb, non-electronic, with APT screw, originally had the idle mixture ports sealed off (and has flat idle mixture screws), is a big secondary unit and has electric choke. The carb was all the way apart (idle tubes out and all) when I inherited this deal and I reassembled it from there. The idle tubes are at .035, the upper idle air bleeds are at .065 and the idle mixture ports are at .085. The motor is a Pontiac 400 with a very mild cam and an ancient Torker single plane intake with a small fiber spacer under that like comes in cheap parts-store kits.

The car starts after two squirts on the accelerator pump, will run if you hold the primaries open any amount that drips fuel and revs ok but will not idle on the idle circuits. I've had the float up and down to no effect, nothing I've done to the carb has made the idle circuits have any effect. The idle tubes are clear, the idle down tubes are clear, the idle ports in the base plate are clear. The motor pulls 15 lbs of vacuum at idle with the primaries open slightly and is rough. Any ideas on what to check next? I have noticed that the power piston never pulls down against the APT screw (which is at 3 turns out) even when pulling 15 lbs of vacuum at what substitutes for idle right now, does this indicate anything? I have to have missed something, just don't know what? Oh, new throttle shafts all around and the needle/seat have been vacuum tested.

Offline C10Racer

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Re: No flow on idle circuit and out of ideas!
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2015, 07:23:42 AM »
Ok, got a little more information to see if it will help. The primary jets are 64's and the rods are 47Ps which to my experience is an incredibly small fuel metering area for any motor much less a 400CID motor? We discovered the carb had no internal source of vacuum to the power piston and ran a external source to full vacuum which solved everything but the idle. I turned the screws 6-turns a piece out and finally seemed to get a very little bit of idle control...is it possible this carb is just setup so small that it isn't metering enough fuel to make any difference on the idle circuit?

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Re: No flow on idle circuit and out of ideas!
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 04:25:38 AM »
It really helps to know what the carb is to provide advice on setting it up.

If the baseplate isn't drilled for vacuum to the PP it's the wrong part or from a turbo carburetor.

Idle airbleeds effect fuel to the mixture screws, so it would be nice to know the sizes of both pairs?

64 jets are way too small for any q-jet that I've worked with from that era, and they may be restricting idle fuel with 47P rods in them.....Cliff