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Offline 77cruiser

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Rich off idle stumble.
« on: August 09, 2025, 02:21:35 PM »
I'm getting a stumble off idle light throttle tip in. I have the linkage in the outer hole, was worse on the inner hole.
Combo 421 SBC Vic JR. 227/239 @ 0.05 hyd roller 9.8 CR 18 deg initial w/10 deg manifold vac.
Pretty sure the accel discharge hasn't been opened up, I didn't note it on my sheet.
Jim

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Re: Rich off idle stumble.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2025, 12:40:19 AM »
18 deg initial is a lot and to me it indicates a too lean idle circuit.

What carb and recipe?

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Re: Rich off idle stumble.
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2025, 08:29:46 AM »
17084226
Idle tube  .031
Idle down .052
Idle disc.  .093
IABP        .136
Idle AB moved to air horn .043
Lower idle bleed .062
MAB blocked drilled for Dual MAB .046
P jet   .074
P rod   52M
Inlet seat .144
Float 5/16
SAB .026
Hanger G
Rods   CV
Air valve 1.29

Goes rich at light tip in to about 10 AFR then back to 13-13.5

Jim

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Re: Rich off idle stumble.
« Reply #3 on: Today at 05:43:44 AM »
Your idle calibration is similar to mine... I have .029" idle tubes, .043 UIAB in air horn, .062 LIAB, .046 IDCR.  Using .046" Dual MABs, and 74 jet w/ 54M rods.  Idle air bypass on mine is 0.089".   I have less cam (217/225 @ 0.050, 108 LSA).  I have 13 deg initial with ported vacuum advance (15 deg can).

I wonder if reducing the IDCR would help with the rich spike?
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Re: Rich off idle stumble.
« Reply #4 on: Today at 10:27:12 AM »
When did you build that carb? How's it working out compared to the other one?
I took it apart & found one pull over tube on the sec. was off, brake booster fitting was loose. Nothing that would make it rich though, but I was able to turn the idle mixture screws in about a full turn & it's better. I might try putting a IDRC or put a bigger IAB in it.
Jim

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Re: Rich off idle stumble.
« Reply #5 on: Today at 11:28:45 AM »
I built this one ~2-3 years ago.  It's based on a 17080204.  This is a small primary (750 cfm) DMAB carb.  It is working very well.  If anything, it is just a little lean at off idle and ~1500-2000 rpm part throttle. 

I dropped down to .040 UIAB and raised the APT a full turn this weekend to see what impact that would have.  I've not driven it yet.  A/F meter shows 14.5-16.5 AFR under all part throttle conditions from off idle to 80 mph cruise. 

Riding around at ~1500-2000 rpm, it is ~15-15.5:1, and I think that may be a bit lean.  If you are really paying attention, you can feel an occasional "skip" or miss.  Barely perceptible, but I am going to see if I can tune it out.

70 mph cruise on the highway is ~15.5-15.7 AFR, and it recently got ~20 MPG at a 3200 rpm cruise speed on a recent road trip (small, light Chevy II helps for sure!).