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1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« on: September 04, 2025, 05:35:35 AM »
Thanks for letting me in Cliff.  So here's a long winded tale of my issues.  Bought a 79 Trans Am with matching Pontiac 301 and Th350 that was gone through mechanically.  Sent carb off to Classic Carb Rebuilders in Eden NC.  I knew the carb wasn't right from the start due to the Holley reman sticker on the side.  Also, the throttle would always hang up just off idle so fine tuning it was impossible.  CCR said the carb was warped and since it's not the original carb I should look for a better core.  Found one that was listed as a Pontiac one but was for an Oldsmobile.  He then called me asking if I needed all the extra brackets on the old carb.  I said yes, I need those because one bumps up idle when the AC is on and the other shuts off the AC compressor when floored.  He said he never seen such a thing (first red light).  He also said the old carb was full of rust in the bottom of the bowl.  So, I replaced every single fuel related item including the tank.

Got the carb back and it still would hang up at idle.  It would bump up about 400 rpms. when it would do it.  So I messaged CCR again.  He stated that possibly the shaft he used from the original carb may be slightly bent and for me to send it back.  I do then when he gets it he calls screaming I am name bashing on FB.  I assure everyone I did not.  I merely mentioned I still had an issue that I have to send the carb back to him on another's post.  After him yelling at me he said he was going to blueprint this carb and make sure everything was in tolerance.  Grand total of about $800 I still have what I believe is carb problems.

For the life of me I can not get the mixture to richen up at all.  It starts great.  Off, part, and 3/4 throttle is fine.  Floor it and it slows down.  Sometimes will even backfire.  I do have a wideband and its showing it's way lean like in the 20's cruising and pegs at 50 when WOT.  Only time the wide band shows decent numbers is when the choke is on.  The secondary does indeed open.  I can see fuel pumping through it.

Before anyone mentions a plugged exhaust, I just replaced the original exhaust with a Pypes kit.  Also swapped the trans to a 2004r but had this issue with the original one.

Carbs are outside my comfort zone.  Had I known about this site I would have given it my best and tried to rebuild it myself.  Right now the car is at a buddy's shop.  He suggested getting another carb to see if it changes anything for the better.  Found one that's in great shape to see if that corrects anything.  Cliff, if I drive to you, would you wanna rebuild another?


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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2025, 06:17:20 AM »
UPDATE: So did a carb swap, that changed nothing.  Car definitely is running lean.  Squirting starting fluid down the carb while running causes the engine to smooth out and the o2 readings to go 14-12.  Smoked the intake and nothing.  It's sealed up tight with no leaks.  Next is to check fuel psi when driving.  Did check it out at while cranking it and it showed 7psi.  Not sure if maybe I am losing volume when flooring it or not.  This test should tell me.  If it checks out then I'm lost.  If timing is that far off it should crank real slow when starting but it doesn't.  Will update when I find out about the fuel psi.

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2025, 10:37:48 AM »
UPDATE:  My buddy who has had my car for a little while now finally was able to dedicate a few solid hours to mess around.  Said that he happened to notice the secondary lever not coming up with the throttle opened up.  Took the top off and inspected noticing no plastic cam.  I'm hoping this is the issue all along.  The other carbs he tried were literally straight off junkyard motors and not cleaned up.  Still unsure if the wide band is even reading correctly. 

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2025, 02:39:11 PM »
If the cam is gone it won't raise the rods, so it will be lean. Should just about die.
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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2025, 06:47:00 AM »
Little update.  So found out not only is the secondary cam non-existent, I've got a plugged POE.  When I sent this carb in the first time, I was told it had rust in the bottom of the bowl.  I took a mason jar and cranked it over a little and sure enough, rust (pictured).  That prompted me to replace EVERYTHING.  Tank, sender, all lines including return and vent, and pump.  Still had the sticking problem so I sent it back.  He sent me pics saying the carb still has junk inside as shown in pic of cut open fuel filter.  I don't know how that could have happened since again, ALL OF THE FUEL RELATED ITEMS WERE NEW AND EVEN FLUSHED PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE CARB THE FIRST TIME.  Anyways here I am rebuilding this carb for the 3rd time  :-[

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2025, 06:48:05 AM »
Second rebuild.  No warranty due to contamination according to the rebuilder

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2025, 06:48:37 AM »
Plugged POE

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2025, 06:49:40 AM »
Filter as shown last year allegedly from fuel contamination on an entirely new fuel system.

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2025, 06:50:25 AM »
What I found in the first rebuild which prompted me to replace everything.

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2025, 06:53:07 AM »
This is a horrible picture I took from a video he sent me with him running it on his test engine.  This was WOT and this is the widest the secondaries go.  I was told he pulled a lot of performance out of the carb due to being for a Pontiac 301?

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2025, 10:44:59 AM »
He got you good, wow. That puller pic is the air bleed the larger tube is the pullover.
I don't know about 301's but the sec. should open farther than that.
Jim

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2025, 10:55:05 AM »
He got you good, wow. That puller pic is the air bleed the larger tube is the pullover.
I don't know about 301's but the sec. should open farther than that.

Yeah, After I bought Cliff's book and went back through the archives of my messages with him, I realize what I was failing to see now.

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2025, 11:05:59 AM »
This is a horrible picture I took from a video he sent me with him running it on his test engine.  This was WOT and this is the widest the secondaries go.  I was told he pulled a lot of performance out of the carb due to being for a Pontiac 301?

The air valves will NOT open fully unless you put load on engine driving the car.

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Re: 1979 Firebird Trans Am aka the turdbird has problems
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2025, 03:01:26 PM »
Somehow he can do it with other carbs like this one he did after mine