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Offline cj7

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Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« on: January 04, 2015, 05:10:58 PM »
Hey guys, I'm a little new to carbs and engines in general and I'm learning as I go, so my problem is I'm trying to start my Chevy 350 for the first time, and decided to put on a quadrajet that i rebuilt (i am no expert so, so this can be part of my problem) I epoxied the plugs because i heard they can leak. Also my fuel pump is rated at 4-9 PSI. So when i turn just the fuel pump on, the carb seems to be fine, but as soon as i start to crank, engine starts to stutter, and gas leaks from between the carb and the intake pretty fast. Within seconds i have a good size puddle of gas on both sides of the intake and it seems to leak a little between the air horn and the body of the carb, where the bowl is towards the front of the carb. My buddy also said one of the headers was shooting a constant flame for a few seconds( don't know if that helps) my question is, whats the problem and how can i fix it? I'm thinking a fuel regulator may help, but is there something else going on like something warped? Also, because the gaskets leaked do they need to be replaced, or can i reuse them?

P.S. my timing is not dialed in and neither is the carb because i have not been able to start it yet
Carb is out of a 79 k10 cast number 17058213

Thanks a lot guys, I cant wait to start it up for the first time ;D

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2015, 05:20:09 PM »
 Welcome to CHP!

 You said you epoxied the plugs. Did you drill out the old primary and secondary ones? Or did you put epoxy over the area of the plugs? What epoxy did you use?
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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2015, 05:22:00 PM »
Hey guys, I'm a little new to carbs and engines in general and I'm learning as I go, so my problem is I'm trying to start my Chevy 350 for the first time, and decided to put on a quadrajet that i rebuilt (i am no expert so, so this can be part of my problem) I epoxied the plugs because i heard they can leak. Also my fuel pump is rated at 4-9 PSI. So when i turn just the fuel pump on, the carb seems to be fine, but as soon as i start to crank, engine starts to stutter, and gas leaks from between the carb and the intake pretty fast. Within seconds i have a good size puddle of gas on both sides of the intake and it seems to leak a little between the air horn and the body of the carb, where the bowl is towards the front of the carb. My buddy also said one of the headers was shooting a constant flame for a few seconds( don't know if that helps) my question is, whats the problem and how can i fix it? I'm thinking a fuel regulator may help, but is there something else going on like something warped? Also, because the gaskets leaked do they need to be replaced, or can i reuse them?

P.S. my timing is not dialed in and neither is the carb because i have not been able to start it yet
Carb is out of a 79 k10 cast number 17058213

Thanks a lot guys, I cant wait to start it up for the first time ;D

 As for leaking around air horn, it could mean the air horn is warped, wrong gasket, etc. What is the float height?
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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2015, 05:57:54 PM »
thanks for replying so fast, i did not drill the plugs, and the epoxy i used was a generic brand my auto parts store had, i was told it was similar to JB weld, and was supposed to be gas resistant. and as for the air horn possibly being warped, is that a simple fix or do i need to replace it
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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2015, 04:24:22 AM »
Sounds like it's flooding, and you have a pretty big leak at the base gasket.

Did you use one of our kits?.....Cliff

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 04:28:51 PM »
I did not use one of your kits, when i got the carb it came with a walker kit, and i used that. and my float is set at about 1/4 inch. so is it flooding because my pressure is too high. I think im going to get a fuel pressure regulator, should that fix it? and maybe some better gaskets?

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 05:52:01 PM »
I did not use one of your kits, when i got the carb it came with a walker kit, and i used that. and my float is set at about 1/4 inch. so is it flooding because my pressure is too high. I think im going to get a fuel pressure regulator, should that fix it? and maybe some better gaskets?

 Could be the pressure is too high. From my manual, stock float level for that carb was 15/32". FWIW
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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2015, 05:57:34 PM »
Ok thanks, ill try that float hight

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 04:07:31 AM »
Good results start with good parts, and all the parts needed to do the job correctly.  We include EVERYTHING required in all of our kits to do the job correctly, and the parts are superior to anything found in the over the counter kits.  This is why I go there first, so we know that the problems are NOT related to low quality components, and either assembly, adjustment, or something fundamentally wrong with the castings, etc......Cliff

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 08:51:16 PM »
Hey guys, sadly im back, but i think i narrowed it down a bit. So i got a fuel pressure regulator and set it to 3-4 psi, but it was still flooding. I took off the air horn and ran the fuel pump to see what was happening, and it looks like the needle is not stopping fuel from coming in when it reaches float hight. it is even pushing the float far beyond the set height and lifting it out of place. I do have a return line off a duel outlet inline filter and fuel is coming through the return line. So why is my needle not stopping fuel at the right height? I tried pressing the needle down with my finger at it stopped the fuel, but it cant on its own.

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2015, 05:35:55 AM »
Get rid of the brass float.  We NEVER use brass floats, they can and will give troubles.

I'd install one of our kits, this will get the right needle/seat assembly and float in the carb.  Set the float correctly, and your flooding issues will be over.

In our kit you will also get a new secondary cam/spring, and retainer for the power piston.

It's also hard to tell in the pic, but looks like the divider in the secondaries is installed backwards......Cliff

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2015, 11:40:22 AM »
ok thanks ill try that

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »
ok thanks ill try that

 Definitely get one of Cliff's kits for your carb. 8)
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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2015, 08:37:46 AM »
If it sounds like I'm always "selling" on here, I am.

Two reasons for that, it takes money to be in this business full time, that's a no brainer there.

Even more important is that NOTHING you are buying over the counter these days is worth two squirts of duck poop.  We really do want folks to have a good end result with their carburetor.  To insure this happens, we ALWAYS recommend to use good parts.  We've stepped up to make those available. 

The "blue" seal and accl pumps showing up in kits are JUNK.  I buy the better pumps from the suppliers, then put a much better seal on it that is impervious to ethanol, custom wound springs and a new retainer.  Our accl pump is an upgrade for the older carbs, as uses a garter spring under the seal to keep it in constant contact with the pump bore for improved efficiency.  Our accl pumps are NOT available anywhere else, so don't bother looking for them at a cheaper price or think you are getting a comparable part in a kit sourced someplace else.

In addition to our accl pump assembly we put a new float in every kit.  It is a closed cell nitrphyl material, not open cell like the old OEM floats and it will not get heavy and sink, or leak at the seams like a brass one does just about every time I've tried to use one.

Our kits also include:

New filter/spring.

New secondary cam/spring.

.135" high flow needle/seat assembly with Viton tipped needle.

We even include a new plastic retainer for the power piston, just clip the old one off and slip on the new one.  It is slightly oversize so fits tight in the bore, no need to stake it in place, etc.

To get good results with these carburetors is not much different than anything else, you have to use good parts, put everything back in the right place, and make correct settings.  For those that have made significant engine modifications you will also have to more times than not make tuning changes for what you have done so the carb is up to par for what you are doing.

I attached a pic to show us removing the seals on the pumps we buy and installing our seal.  Ethanol is here to stay, and the additive packages in this new reformulated fuel REQUIRES a good seal on the pump.  The ones from the suppliers swells up and fails, even they have dubbed them "ethanol resistant".

We stock just about every gasket every made for a Quadrajet, and stock most choke pull-offs, even some that have long been discontinued and NLA anywhere else.

It is always best to call the shop to place parts orders, as we have a lot of questions to ask so we get the right parts to you the first time........Cliff

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Re: Quadrajet Leaking Like crazy between carb and intake
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2015, 02:46:53 PM »
x3 on his kits, money well spent and useful.